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		<title>Why did God create the world knowing that it would fall into sin? (from a private conversation, by kind permission)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Apr 2013 13:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today 12:25 Victor Berrjod Davey, why did God create the world knowing that it would fall into sin? 15:21 David J. James Because through fall and redemption man achieves a oneness and intimacy with God that no angel ever had. As Jesus put it &#8220;he who is forgiven much, loves much&#8221;. 15:22 Victor Berrjod But [&#8230;]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=huliganov.tv&#038;blog=9885548&#038;post=3405&#038;subd=huliganov&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>Davey, why did <a class="zem_slink" title="God" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God" target="_blank" rel="wikipedia">God</a> create the world knowing that it would fall into sin?</p>
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<p>Because through fall and redemption man achieves a oneness and intimacy with God that no angel ever had. As <a class="zem_slink" title="Jesus" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus" target="_blank" rel="wikipedia">Jesus</a> put it &#8220;he who is forgiven much, loves much&#8221;.</p>
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<p>But what about those who don&#8217;t belive?</p>
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<p>If they don&#8217;t believe that they need forgiveness, then they won&#8217;t ask for it or believe that they can have it, and then neither will they love.</p>
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<p>It&#8217;s definitely a better deal to believe.</p>
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<p>I was about to say that if there was no fall, then everybody could know God forever, but then I remembered <a class="zem_slink" title="Satan" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan" target="_blank" rel="wikipedia">Satan</a>.</p>
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<p>So why did God create Satan knowing that he would betray Him?</p>
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<p>In the main people disbelieve because they choose to disbelieve, because they love something else, usually a sin, more than God and wish to continue in the rebellion against God, and the biggest rebellion against God is to disacknowledge Him entirely by unbelief.</p>
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<p>Why did God make Satan or angels capable of falling? A precursor probably to human redemption. Angels are from the beginning supposed to minister to the heirs of salvation. Human believers will judge angels. If Satan was made fallible, it was also for our good.</p>
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<p>When it says &#8220;all things work together for good to them that love God, to those that are called according to his promises&#8221; I take it literally.</p>
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<p>Even what Satan determines for our ill becomes good, just as Joseph said to his brothers that they intended him harm, but God intended it for good.</p>
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<p>Do you think I should share these explanations with a broader public on HTV?</p>
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<p>Yes. They are important topics.</p>
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<p>And it&#8217;s a good answer.</p>
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<p>Do you mind being quoted or shall I say &#8220;one friend asks&#8221;?</p>
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<p>You can quote me.</p>
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<p>Since you are open about answering, I can be open about asking.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am now returning, having received a moment ago a timely reminder from Victor Berrjod, to the discussion on the above diagram, and what it can show us of use to the learners of language. In the earlier article, I wrote about how in reading and in listening the language user is passive &#8211; not [&#8230;]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=huliganov.tv&#038;blog=9885548&#038;post=3401&#038;subd=huliganov&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>I am now returning, having received a moment ago a timely reminder from Victor Berrjod, to the discussion on the above diagram, and what it can show us of use to the learners of language.</p>
<p>In the earlier article, I wrote about how in reading and in listening the language user is passive &#8211; not having to generate his own grammatically correct language or have the right word at hand. Therefore reading and listening are intrinsically less challenging than writing or speaking.  For someone not in an active state with his command of a foreign language, reading and listening creates less of a problem than writing or speaking. If he, or she, knows the word in their passive memory then it should be that they can deal with reading it or listening to it.  In order to be able to speak or writing a person must find that word for themselves.</p>
<p>So we have compared the two rows in the diagram. Let us now compare the two columns.</p>
<p>In the leftmost column, the one containing reading as the passive skill or function and writing as the active skill, we can say that the learner is able to exercise more control over timing when reading and writing than when speaking and listening.</p>
<p>It is clear that listening with a pause button enables a similar control of timing as reading  and speaking into a recording device that enables pauses, repetitions, breaks and then a later edit allows a similar control as in writing, and the use of recordings &#8211; making them as well as listening to them in that way &#8211; certain makes for an excellent bridge between the skills where we have all the time we need &#8211; reading and writing, and those skills where we don&#8217;t have all the time we need, such as conversing with someone who is not particularly inclined to wait around while we find the words we need.</p>
<p>In reading and writing there are also scenarios where we don&#8217;t control the time, for example reading subtitles in a foreign language cinema when an English language film is shown undubbed, or certain chatroom scenarios where if we are not careful we will not keep up with the flow and our contribution to the chat will look lame. These therefore are also bridging scenarios.</p>
<p>However, in the main if you are on your own and reading and writing for yourself, reading a book or writing the goldlist, you can control how fast you want to do it, therefore you can be relaxed and therefore you can more easily get into a state where the subconscious, <a class="zem_slink" title="Long-term memory" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_memory" target="_blank" rel="wikipedia">long-term memory</a> is the default information pantry and not the conscious memory, which switches on in states of nerves or stress and which remembers in a short-term way, recycling its hastily constructed synaptic pathways after only two weeks.</p>
<p>The <a class="zem_slink" title="Implicit memory" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicit_memory" target="_blank" rel="wikipedia">unconscious memory</a> may only sample 20-30% of what you cover and place in the <a class="zem_slink" title="Short-term memory" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short-term_memory" target="_blank" rel="wikipedia">short-term memory</a> if it is activated, but then it will keep it for decades whereas the short term memory loses pretty much everything after two weeks. 100% of 2 is much less of course than 20% of 1,000, so a preference to use the long-term memory methods and avoid the short term memory methods should be a no-brainer for all of us.</p>
<p>Should be.</p>
<p>The problem is of course that people want to be able to speak and listen, they want to be able to rely on their language knowledge in real life situations, and so people want to get to the point where they can speak at will. And language classes seem geared around the getting of students to speak phrases and be able to engage in conversations, as well as getting the students to repeat a lot and <a class="zem_slink" title="Rote learning" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rote_learning" target="_blank" rel="wikipedia">rote learn</a>. All of these ways are short-term memory ways, they encourage the learner to feel as though he or she is making faster progress but it will prove to be an uphill struggle as the learner is always fighting against his two-week barrier, and later on blaming himself and not the teacher&#8217;s method for the fact that not much gets retained after class.</p>
<p>Now you can ask any polyglot you know, and even though some of them seem to take a delight in the act of activating their languages, and make no mistake about it, it is an extremely pleasant sensation to activate a language and to really start speaking and thinking in it for the first time, you will still learn from them that they do a lot of reading and writing and they take their time over it and do it alone at home. They don&#8217;t rely on the classes. If they use classes at all it would be for them just an adjunct, a social dimension to the real learning which they do alone, reading in the main and writing.</p>
<p>When reading and writing you can be as relaxed as you like and so the unconscious memory works nicely. It will work less nicely on listening if you feel stressed, but that is why good audio course such as <a class="zem_slink" title="Michel Thomas" href="http://www.michelthomas.com/" target="_blank" rel="homepage">Michel Thomas</a>, <a class="zem_slink" title="Paul Noble" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Noble" target="_blank" rel="wikipedia">Paul Noble</a>, Pimsleur, all emphasise the use of the pause button. You have to have the feel that you are in control of the timing at which the language is coming at you and can repeat any part of the recording ad nauseam if necessary. However actually repeating things over and over is also something that calls forth the conscious memory because while doing that we are TRYING to remember. The long-term memory works when we are not trying to memorise.</p>
<p>The short-term memory methods used by <a class="zem_slink" title="Language school" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_school" target="_blank" rel="wikipedia">language schools</a> of course are in their interests as the teachers of languages are paid for their time and if they can feed you with an illusion that either you are progressing quickly or if you are not progressing it&#8217;s not their fault, then people carry on for much much longer than they would need to learning alone, and all the time paying for lessons. Paying for lessons is not bad if there is a language which needs a lot of explanations which the books are confusing you on, and you stay in control and ask the questions. If you have a teacher who lets you do that, then they deserve their money. If you have a teacher who coaches you in the proper use of your brain and in the selection of good materials and clear explanations, then again you have a teacher who deserves their money. The other 80% are ripping you off either consciously or unconsciously.</p>
<p>From what I have said so far, it is clear that reading is the least challenging function of the four as in reading most of the time you have control over the time, you can relax and make it a pleasant experience and you don&#8217;t have to waste time getting yourself into a continued state of activation in the language in order to do it. As a reminder to those who have read me before, or an aside to those who haven&#8217;t, activation from a non-active state takes three days.</p>
<p>Recently no less a language learner than the polyglot A-lister Steve Kaufman of Lingq.com, a great believer in the learning power of reading by the way, such that he doesn&#8217;t feel the need to keep a record by writing in the way the Goldlist works &#8211; he feels it slows him down &#8211; which is not necessarily wrong, but doing so has many other advantages we can come on to &#8211; wanted to test my three-day activation hypothesis by coming to <a class="zem_slink" title="Prague" href="http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=50.0833333333,14.4166666667&amp;spn=0.1,0.1&amp;q=50.0833333333,14.4166666667 (Prague)&amp;t=h" target="_blank" rel="geolocation">Prague</a> after learning at home in Canada for I think about a year. However, when he came, he was already very nicely active in less than three days &#8211; because he had been spending his time in Canada already on regular Skype calls to his Czech native speaker friends and therefore he didn&#8217;t come with a completely passive knowledge and so the results of his experiment were &#8211; unfortunately for me &#8211; not very conclusive. I would have been fascinated to see his reaction if he had come genuinely passive and seen the remarkable effect of immersion over a few days from a passive state. It really is quite exciting and I can recommend just trusting the Method and trying that one time.</p>
<div id="attachment_3402" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 610px"><a href="http://huliganov.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/img_0451.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-3402" alt="Steve Kaufman meets Viktor Huliganov in Prague" src="http://huliganov.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/img_0451.jpg?w=600&#038;h=400" width="600" height="400" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Steve Kaufman meets Viktor Huliganov in Prague</p></div>
<p>Anyhow, one thing I do agree with Steve on, and this is by far not the only thing, is that reading is a great way to learn languages to a high degree of perfection having a great time and freeing the long-term memory. In my opinion, though, to get to the point where we can just comfortably read away in the literature needs quite a bit of groundwork. In the old UK way of doing things, literature was brought in at A-level, only after a vocabulary of some 2,000 of the most common words had been achieved along with a thorough grasp of all the required grammar, which if we are talking about French literature (the most commonly learned language in that old UK system) requires the subjunctive and the past historic, even though you could live a month in today&#8217;s France barely using either and nobody would think any the worse of you for it.</p>
<p>In a similar way both Steve and I love the Jaroslav Hasek classic &#8220;Osudy dobreho vojaka Svejka&#8221; &#8211; but even this, a twentieth century document unlike the works of Voltaire and Goethe, is written in something fairly removed from modern Czech and the idioms we can learn in it, the greatest jewel of the Czech literature, might not stand us in good stead in daily life.<br />
This does still leave reams of modern things worth reading in Czech, and in most of the languages which are available to be learned, some of course more than others.</p>
<p>I would say that if the four functions diagram shows you that the easiest thing to do when learning is to read, but people nevertheless want to progress from reading to speaking, there has to be a route or a choice of routes by which we can get from reading to speaking also encompassing the other two skills or functions. namely the writing and the listening.</p>
<p>And how we do that will be the topic of the next in this series.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Given the selection of a new Pope, the Roman Catholic Church is much discussed in the media and on blogs. Here is a random comment I replied to today in one place. It is a comment I can partly assent to, but rather more needed to be said: Anglicans ARE Catholic. In fact, many of [&#8230;]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=huliganov.tv&#038;blog=9885548&#038;post=3348&#038;subd=huliganov&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>Given the selection of a new Pope, the <a class="zem_slink" title="Catholic Church" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church" target="_blank" rel="wikipedia">Roman Catholic Church</a> is much discussed in the media and on blogs. Here is a random comment I replied to today in one place. It is a comment I can partly assent to, but rather more needed to be said:</p>
<blockquote><p>Anglicans ARE Catholic. In fact, many of us secretly believe we are more Catholic than the Romans, though we&#8217;re usually tactful enough to mention this to them. And of course, we are ALL, Roman and English, &#8220;under Christ&#8221; in an ultimate sense &#8211; the question at issue is merely the more mundane one of how exactly one goes about delegating Christ&#8217;s authority on a day-to-day level.</p></blockquote>
<p>My response was as follows:</p>
<p>Every Christian is a Catholic except those who believe that their denomination has a monopoly. If we be looking unto Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our <a class="zem_slink" title="Faith" href="http://www.amazon.com/Faith-C-H-Spurgeon/dp/0883686376%3FSubscriptionId%3D0G81C5DAZ03ZR9WH9X82%26tag%3Dzemanta-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3D0883686376" target="_blank" rel="amazon">Faith</a>, as it says, we will all be looking at the right direction, the right leader, who needs no vicar, the Way, the Truth and the Life.</p>
<p>The authority of Christ is not at this time a political one &#8211; the devil has the lease on the politics of this world and its nation states for now, so Churches in all cases should be separate from states.</p>
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		<title>Initial Thoughts on the Four Functions Diagram</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 18:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would like to give you today some initial thoughts on the diagram, and to do that I&#8217;m going back to a simplified form of the diagram without the flows included as yet. &#160; This is just to get a clearer image of the base ideas before we get onto the various conclusions that can [&#8230;]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=huliganov.tv&#038;blog=9885548&#038;post=3386&#038;subd=huliganov&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to give you today some initial thoughts on the diagram, and to do that I&#8217;m going back to a simplified form of the diagram without the flows included as yet.</p>
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<p>This is just to get a clearer image of the base ideas before we get onto the various conclusions that can be drawn from it, when we will go back to the diagram including the arrows and boxes showing the auditory and the visual routes of progressing from reading to speaking.</p>
<p>For today I would like to offer for your consideration that whatever we do, whatever applications we use language for, for instance counting, swearing, singing, praying, shopping, skyping, reciting poems, selecting food from menus, asking the waiter what he recommends or chatting up <a class="zem_slink" title="Paul Pimsleur" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Pimsleur" target="_blank" rel="wikipedia">Paul Pimsleur</a>&#8216;s native speaker female on the bus (the way all his courses seem to start), all these various applications and whatever others you can think of, are all based on one or more of the above gerunds: reading, writing, listening and speaking.</p>
<p>Therefore every linguistic activity can be reduced to these four functions or skills, and the mastering of each of these skills is essential for a full ability to apply the language in all possible situations.</p>
<p>When we talk about &#8220;language&#8221;, we refer of course to the tongue &#8211; the words language and tongue are connected, and people tend to consider that speaking is the gold standard. &#8220;How many languages do you speak?&#8221; is the question we hear. Only people who are a bit more thoughtful ask how many languages do you read, write, listen well in and speak, however there are <a class="zem_slink" title="Curriculum vitae" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curriculum_vitae" target="_blank" rel="wikipedia">CV</a> formats which do ask precisely that format. If you want to  submit a CV in World Bank format, for instance (this is one of the industrial standards when tendering for public sector work, in case any readers haven&#8217;t come across it) you are supposed to make mention of reading, writing and speaking, not necessarily listening.  If you use the Europass format you&#8217;ll see from the CV templates available <a href="http://europass.cedefop.europa.eu/en/documents/curriculum-vitae/templates-instructions" target="_blank">here</a>, that you are expected to give yourself a grade from the <a class="zem_slink" title="Common European Framework of Reference for Languages" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_European_Framework_of_Reference_for_Languages" target="_blank" rel="wikipedia">Common European Framework of Reference for Languages</a>, which defines what you&#8217;re supposed to be able to do to be an A1, an A2, a B1 or a B2, or in the end a C1 or C2. But you have to grade yourself on &#8220;Understanding&#8221; which covers both reading and listening, on &#8220;Speaking&#8221; which is divided into spoken interaction and production, but whichever way you look at that it&#8217;s still speaking, and finally on writing, which isn&#8217;t broken down further, but of course could be when it comes to languages like Chinese and Japanese &#8211; whether a person can only write pinyin or kana or if they can go the whole way and know the characters and word combinations which would be known at a certain level of education in the school curricula of the countries involved.</p>
<p>With the above I hope to have introduced the idea that these basic four functions are common to whatever we do with language and underlie everything we do, even though people commonly talk about &#8220;speaking&#8221; a language.</p>
<p>What are the relations between these four? We already saw above that the EU&#8217;s great minds grouped reading and listening together as &#8220;Understanding&#8221;. Obviously that&#8217;s true, but I don&#8217;t prefer to regard it that way. One needs understanding in order to speak and write also, so more strictly the distinction should be drawn that when I listen or read I am the passive recipient of language and when I speak or write I am the active generator of the language, unless I am simply copying what I have just read or heard.</p>
<p>Clearly it is easier to be the passive recipient of language that to generate it actively. If you do not have passive knowledge then even reading or listening with understanding will not be possible, but you don&#8217;t need to be in a particularly active state to do it. Also some degree of uncertainty as to which registers of words to use or the grammatical niceties may not necessarily block understanding, as context can be the guide and for listening intonation will guide &#8211; in the case of face-to-face listening body language also provides a lot of guidance and still as for reading you have context. Listening despite all that can be harder than just reading since you don&#8217;t control the speed of input. Not unless you have a recording with a pause button and privacy to listen (maybe with headphones or alone) so that you can repeat or slow down a listening piece all you need. In this case the degree of difficulty between listening and reading is more blurred. Listening presents issues if you have a speaker with an unusual accent or a speech impediment, just as reading presents difficulties when reading the work of someone partially illiterate, but for the purposes of our discussion here let us consider that all the material we would be dealing with is standard language of an adequate quality.</p>
<p>In a sense then we can look at reading as the passive partner of writing, writing being understood as either handwriting or on a keyboard, or on any of the input methods on a mobile device &#8211; maybe even voice recognition which blurs the distinction between speaking and writing, but I would class it for our purposes as writing rather than speaking.</p>
<p>Likewise speaking and listening are an active/passive pairing. They have in common that they don&#8217;t involve the written word, and that someone with no literacy who is a native speaker of the language could also take part. Normally conversations take place in which people take turns in speaking and listening, or in chatrooms in <a class="zem_slink" title="Literacy" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy" target="_blank" rel="wikipedia">reading and writing</a>. The very term &#8220;chatroom&#8221; shows how readily we can transfer the idea of speaking and listening to writing and reading respectively. We think of ourselves as &#8220;chatting&#8221; to people when not a decibel is heard in terms of auditory noise beyond the clicking of the keys on our keyboards. It&#8217;s also not uncommon given today&#8217;s technology to find one&#8217;sself in conversations with people who are sorting out their microphones where one side is talking and the other writing. This is not unusual in conventional settings either if someone is mute or has lost their voice, but can hear. People proficient in all four skills can naturally feel reading coming in as an automatic substitute for listening and writing for speaking, where the sound-based pair are not available. These days, when someone in an online exchange tells us some bad or good news, we might naturally say &#8220;I am sorry/glad to hear that&#8221;, even though we only read it, and if the other person were to even raise an eyebrow it would be either taken as an attempt at humour or as an excess of pedantry.</p>
<p>Allow me to bring in one spiritual dimension just for one paragraph &#8211; those not liking it can skip to the next one.  The <a class="zem_slink" title="Holy Bible: 10th Anniversary Edition" href="http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Bible-Manic-Street-Preachers/dp/B000666VKQ%3FSubscriptionId%3D0G81C5DAZ03ZR9WH9X82%26tag%3Dzemanta-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB000666VKQ" target="_blank" rel="amazon">Bible</a> (Romans 10:17) says &#8220;faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God&#8221; &#8211;  this clearly shows that the hearing is something that is read. So the Bible itself puts hearing and reading on a parity. When we consider the phrase &#8220;we walk by faith and not by sight&#8221; (<a class="zem_slink" title="Second Epistle to the Corinthians" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Epistle_to_the_Corinthians" target="_blank" rel="wikipedia">2 Corinthians 5</a> v 7) the fact that reading does involve sight rather than the sense of hearing is not conflicting, because the act of reading is like listening or hearing but by using our eyes. The &#8220;sight&#8221; which the Bible places in apposition to faith in many places is the &#8220;seeing&#8221; of experimenting. Instead of taking a promise from the Divine revelation on trust needing to probe it and see if it the case by means of experimentation. That&#8217;s not the same as testing one scripture against other scriptures, which is generally shown in the Bible itself to be the correct way to understand scriptures.</p>
<p>So we have two active/passive pairs, one involving an aural/oral convention and the other eyes and hands with symbols. However, these things are heavily interconnected, and can cross over. A person reading in a foreign language on their own will usually &#8220;hear&#8221; what they are saying with a kind of &#8220;inner ear&#8221; &#8211; when we are young we start out by reading aloud and are led gradually to &#8220;read in our heads&#8221; at which point we are invited to allow our voice to continue in the head, but unuttered by the organs of speech. In due course this may become a voice doing accents or having a quality that we cannot even imitate with our own voice, as we imagine the voice of the speaker.  However in the main one is limited to the voices which one might be able to make a fair attempt at imitating oneself, those of us who are at all inclined to do imitations.</p>
<p>In this way, the act of reading and the development of that inner voice can directly influence speaking, although on my diagram I have not drawn or even allowed for a direct route between reading and speaking, as one will never develop this inner voice from listening alone without the opportunity to listen, and I have come more and more to the view that  the more one &#8220;front loads&#8221;the listening aspects in a language learning programme, the better this effect works. That&#8217;s one of the reasons I now recommend doing audio-only, listening based courses prior to any of the reading and writing required by the Goldlist method. There may be only 10% of the material you need, but it makes perfect sense to do this part right at the start, and that&#8217;s also consistent with the way we learn the first language &#8211; we have heard it all before we ever try to write it or read it.</p>
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<p>That&#8217;s all I&#8217;ve prepared for today&#8217;s article, but I have more to say and we&#8217;ll get onto that  during the week. In the meantime your comments are as ever most welcome.</p>
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		<title>The Four Basic Linguistic Functions Analysed</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today, I am just uploading this for your perusal. I will start commenting on it and explaining it and drawing conclusions from it during the week, and hopefully what I will have to say will be quite useful for language learners. For today however I just wanted to let you take a look at the [&#8230;]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=huliganov.tv&#038;blog=9885548&#038;post=3381&#038;subd=huliganov&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>Today, I am just uploading this for your perusal. I will start commenting on it and explaining it and drawing conclusions from it during the week, and hopefully what I will have to say will be quite useful for language learners. For today however I just wanted to let you take a look at the picture and you are welcome to give your initial thoughts in the comments.</p>
<p>There is actually so much that I could have to say from this simple diagram that I don&#8217;t worry that discussion before I have started to show what it is all about could &#8220;steal my thunder&#8221;. On the contrary it would be interesting to see what interpretations people would place on the diagram as it stands.</p>
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		<title>Should you first master your own language before learning another?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 11:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This morning on Facebook someone cleverly asked the question whether one should first master one&#8217;s native language before learning another. The person asking the question later in the thread comes out in favour of the answer no, one does not have to first master one&#8217;s native language before starting another. Quite right too, but I [&#8230;]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=huliganov.tv&#038;blog=9885548&#038;post=3366&#038;subd=huliganov&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://commons.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BelarusianAsNativeLnaguage2009urban.PNG" target="_blank"><img class="zemanta-img-inserted zemanta-img-configured" title="English: Belarusian as native language among u..." alt="English: Belarusian as native language among u..." src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/BelarusianAsNativeLnaguage2009urban.PNG/300px-BelarusianAsNativeLnaguage2009urban.PNG" width="300" height="235" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">English: Belarusian as native language among urban population in Belarus according to the 2009 census Українська: Білоруська мова, як рідна серед міського населення Білорусі за даними перепису 2009 року. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)</p></div>
<p style="text-align:justify;">This morning on Facebook someone cleverly asked the question whether one should first master one&#8217;s <a class="zem_slink" title="First language" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_language" target="_blank" rel="wikipedia">native language</a> before learning another. The person asking the question later in the thread comes out in favour of the answer no, one does not have to first master one&#8217;s native language before starting another. Quite right too, but I was negatively surprised to see a number of people siding with the proposition. Do they think that they can even measure what it is to &#8220;master&#8221; one&#8217;s native tongue?</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">I think it is even actually impossible to master one&#8217;s own language without learning another. It is impossible to be properly analytic about one&#8217;s own native language without stepping out of it. A common denominator among people who use their native language particularly poorly is that they have never undertaken serious study of a second one.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">I had a friend from Australia once who was completely ignorant of whether he was using a word in English as a noun or an adjective or an adverb &#8211; in English words don&#8217;t necessarily change their form to show you what they are. As a result his reading comprehension was a hoot, he made incorrect inferences the whole time from what people wrote to him. You could see that his whole world view was hemmed in by the fact that he didn&#8217;t even have a proper grasp of how his tool for thought, ie language, actually worked. It was not until he started learning other languages that his eyes began to open. This is before we even get to the deepening of thought and the opening of the mind that comes ones we are able to understand word origins better, or start to think in the other language or begin experiencing the world through the linguistic apparatus of another people.<span id="more-3366"></span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">I have seen sometimes in the youtube comments for videos made by polyglots whose first language still contains errors that they should first improve their own language and then go on to learn other languages. In particular I saw this on videos made by <a class="zem_slink" title="Moses" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses" target="_blank" rel="wikipedia">Moses</a>, whose English has a footprint on it of the way people around him through his life have spoken it. Therefore his English isn&#8217;t a kind of English which is high-style or standard pronunciation. People show their prejudice by assuming that such utterances can only be made by someone who is poorly linguistically educated. Is it necessary, though, for someone like Moses to diss his own culture and only use another class of English as his English in order to be qualified to learn or speak further languages? I don&#8217;t think so. I think that what they call &#8220;ebonics&#8221; has a certain beauty of its own and if someone naturally speaks that, then they shoudl do so with dignity and pride. It will not stop them from reading and writing English of any degree of prim-and-properness/primness and propriety/primopropriationability or whatever you wanna call it.</p>
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