Category Archives: Religion and Philosophy

This is where I give voice to my views about the meaning of life. If you are someone who doesn’t think someone should share their views on God, salvation, etc, then you’ll most likely be dreadfully offended by looking in this category – enjoy!

It’s the Catholics I feel sorry for.


This week’s ruling in the UK House of Lords ruling that informal Muslim marriages which don’t get registered with the state won’t be treated as marriages on a par with those which are so registered, provoked the usual knee-jerk squealing by those who think that Muslims are being systematically victimised by horrible right-wing Christians, namely the Muslim pressure groups themselves in dischordant chorus with their Haw-Havian leftist enablers.

This post sets out to explain how they are in fact being treated exactly the same as everyone else, in fact many right-wing Christians have it worse than they do in countries they themselves run.

If a person has a marriage in their Church, Mosque, Temple or Synangogue and doesn’t register it with a nation state, then nation states won’t recognise them. Nation it is written, shall speak peace unto nation, and thus it is, as the Propesy says. The world has been divided as a result of the Napoleonic era and the emergence of the modern times rather than the middle ages, (the “last times” in which we currently see more and more preparations for the emergence of the Antichrist as described in Scripture) into relatively secular states in which both royal families and also religious institutions are free to exist and may be incorporated into the paraphenalia of states, but in fact we have these things called countries and these are boxes based largely around land and borders, with economies and governments and thei systems of taxing, spending, legilating and defending themselves which they devise.

Each one has a legal system, a flag, a system of government more or less democratic (although the best are defective) a national anthem, a dialling code, an internet country suffix, an ISO abbreviation. New countries get these by sending off to the UN for a “new countries kit” which contains a constitution, a dialling code, a flag, a national anthem, and an internet .tld and this costs $3999.99 plus postage and packing, although I can probably arrange a discount for you, if you have a new country and need to watch your budget.

And each country deals on a peer-to-peer basis with other countries. They are not dealing with churches or mosques or temples or synagogues, any more than they are dealing with tropical fish clubs or local restaurant karaoke clubs. If you want to get married in a Church, or a Mosque or a Karaoke club, you can. You are free to do that. You can get married in a Jehovahs’ so-called Witnesses so-called Kingdom Hall, in a Masonic Lodge (which is more or less the same thing but more public) or in a Spearmint Rhino if you like. You are free to do all these things. But if you want the recognition of a State for your marriage then you have to do it in a way that either the State you live in recognises, or from another State which mutually recognises the marriages.

Now if someone gets married in Saudi Arabia and has plural wives because that is all fine there, then actually the UK will recognise this as a foreign state did it even though you wouldn’t be able to enter multiple marriages in the UK. So it is not like we are not recognising Muslim marriages, but if you want to get amrried in this country then for it to be official it has to be done officially. And it is the same for all of us nobody is victeemising Muslims, sorry to tell you, because I know that will cost you tears of bewilderment and disappointment to find out to don’t have a valid basis for your usual whinging. In fact in most European counries the model looks like Poland, where you have to have a church and also a civil wedding even though the country is 93% Roman Catholic. Just getting married by the priest is not enough to be accepted by the State, just as Catholics would say that just marriage by the state doesn’t make it a sacrament. The reasons why treating marriage or the alternative in the catholic system of Ordination as a sacrament is bad theology in the first place is material for a whole ‘nother blogpost.

I’m a Calvinist, so for me marriage is not a sacrament, but a creation ordinance and “an holy estate of life” and the last time I looked, nikah was not a pillar of Islam either, and therefore you Muslims just like we Calvinists are married in the sight of God even if all we do is a civil ceremony.  It’s not like we can put tinfoil around the Registry Office so that God cannot look in.  So spare a thought for the poor Roman Catholics in Poland, they are the ones if anyone with a right to feel hard done by here.

Uncle Davey’s Herts Content S3 E4 – Westminster Cathedral


Original YT playout date: 4 October 2008
Duration: 6:31

Some of the atmosphere in a Sunday afternoon service at the main Roman Catholic cathedral in London.

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Latest Developments


Dear Viewers, Readers, Friends,

The current colour change is a Christmas livery, a traditional dark green and red. This has only a tenuous link with the Nativity, as indeed does the whole of what we call Christmas, and indeed not all Christians celebrate it, or celebrate it with great gusto.

Nevertheless, it does provide a time of year which is ostensibly a time when one can make reference to Christian themes, although many people who know little about the faith will like to tell us what “the spirit of Christmas” should be, or “the true meaning of Christmas” usually accentuating a man-centred message of goodwill towards men.

Certainly the message given by the angels of goodwill henceforth, and peace among men is Biblical, but they are not messengers of bonhomie between different human beings. They give us a message that the God who made us, whom we have set at nought and abused, has entered this world as a human being Himself, in order to redeem us. This is the love that the Father shows us, that he did not leave humans in their own awful sinful mess, but came among us as one of us, lived out a perfect life and died under the curse of God that properly belonged to us, in a great exchange, whereby He becomes the Lamb, the sin-offering, given once and once only for all who wish to be part of Him. Being part of Him is a matter of believing, repudiating one’s own efforts as entirely unworthy (something which gets harder to do the more well-behaved and “religious” one is, ironically) and casting all one’s trust on Jesus.

That’s the message of Christmas, and it is the Plan of God since before the first electron spun around the first proton. It is the only way of peace among men, the channel of God’s goodwill towards me, and the One in whom we have life everlasting.

If you would like to be a Christian, the best way to get the conversation with God going is to read the Gospels and the most accessible is John’s Gospel. It will also be useful at an early point to study Paul’s letter to the Romans as this sets out the Gospel in a theological way. You should cast yourself on God in prayer,  and above all if you have some faith but at least as much dout as faith, you can ask as one man asked Jesus “Oh Lord, I believe. Help Thou mine unbelief”. This must be one of the most frequently answered prayers in the history of humanity and it is unlikely to remain unanswered if prayed with a sincere heart.

I wish you all a wonderful Advent, in the fullest sense of those words.

PC lackeys are a bigger problem than the actual one


Original YT playout date: 10 August 2008
Duration: 5:56

The Muslims may want to change England into their own system, but that’s their way. They can’t help themselves and converting under duress and fighting for more and more territory is all they have ever known. The ones who *should* know better are the western namby- pamby liberals who won’t let us protect ourselves and our culture because they are still shocked by what happened under fascism in Germany, and what was done to the innocent Jews. And so now we daren’t stand up and react assertively and protect ourself even when it is warranted, as now when a real threat to our culture and society comes along, not just the economic success of a different group within our diversity, which anyone is welcome to. These people are programmed by their deen to destroy us and the Jews together, and it’ll be all down to people in our own group who have liberal ideas they naively sucked in from the media, and also people like lawyers who win rights for these people in exchange for making money for themselves at the expense of everyone else in society.

Can we finally understand that “politically correct” is a way of saying “incorrect” and bring some common sense and assertiveness back in the way we deal with these people? The ones who should be vilified are not the misguided believers in Islam, who are the victims in this anyway, but the people who are from our society but who are standing by and applauding or denying as Islam gains ground in Europe. If they want to know what fascism really is, all they need to do is wait till Islam is in control in Europe. But then it will be too late.”
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Pilgrimage!


 

Original YT playout date: 8 August 2008
Duration: 1:01:09

An account from the first day of the second army of pilgrims from Warsaw heading out for the shrine of the Black Madonna, on the annual footsore migration of hundreds of thousands of people over a route of well over 200 km, many (such as Lord Moggy of lordmoggy channel featured here) subsisting on mere bread and water for nine days in their quest for fellowship and blessing.

I make a few comments about what I witnessed form a Protestant perspective, but I do mean the remarks in a kindly way, as at the end of the day atheists and islamists need to see Christians standing up and being counted, which is what these people are doing.

Also features in one part an attempt at Chaucer’s famous opening to the Canterbury Tales in the original Middle English. Some of my older viewers can tell me whether I got the pronunciation right or not.

I am actual posting it here on Huliganov.TV during pilgrimage time 11 years later. It goes to show that precisely 11 years ago I got down to below 120 kgs and right now I have a good chance of repeating that, having eaveraged 10 or more kgs more in the interim, sometimes even 20 kgs more.

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How free are people to make up their own mind?


Original YT playout date: 2 August 2008
Duration: 8:28

Many people can be found on British media and in other western media making broad brush negative comparisons about Islam and Christianity. Now there are SOME Christians who are as strict about forcing people to believe just as there are SOME Muslims like the Egyptian gentleman without his teeth in in this film, who God bless him, understands that faith which is forced under pain of punishment or even execution is valueless in the sight of God, and therefore we HAVE to allow freedom of choice, but from this show you can see very clearly that in Islamic countries there is no way people will accept you saying you are not a Muslim and just leave it at that. There is always going to be a bad consequence. The unwritten rule there is that you say “”I’m a good Muslim”” whatever you happen to think. There is no Christian country and there has not been for hundreds of years (yes, we failed in the past, but then put right the failure), where you cannot build a Mosque, or state yourself to be an atheist. But try building a Church or claiming to be an atheist in an Islamic state and see how far you get.

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A comment on “Crazy Bible” by Ray Comfort


People criticise Christians for saying atheism is a religion, set of dogmas or a belief. Atheism is indeed a belief. Saying it isn’t is mere denial of the obvious reality. If I do not know whether a cat in a box is alive or dead, it is not a question of it being both, it is a question of which of these alternatives you believe. One will prove to be correct, but up to that point, both believe. The one who says the cat is dead is not able to say he has fact on his side in view of the absence of evidence of life. The cat is in the box.

If God means, as He tells us He does, to save a people based on their choice in faith and love, then forcing them into faith by parading himself means that the criteria would not work and we would be forced back onto works salvation. In such a case we would need to be good, and there obviously is a problem with being good. I can’t do it and neither can you. That’s why the whole world from Creation onwards contains a structure whereby we may in good conscience believe that the Creator came into Creation to take the punishment so that we could be forgiven based on belief, and so does the Bible. The Bible contains things which invite you to either dismiss it in scorn or to try to see things through the eyes of God. We are told truth in a way that the proud will find it only too easy to reject, while at the same time they readily absorb the lies of the world, from abiogenesis through to the idea that Satan is not controlling politics. The faithful on the other hand find it easy to believe God’s word, and are ultra skeptical about the lies of the world.

So both are belief systems. One is a belief system whose proponents know or ought to know is a belief system, the other is a belief system many of whose proponents think is honest science.

All the Psalms


For a change this is a Video not from my channel. et me know if it comes down or is unavailable or anything, but this video is truly remarkable.  Eleven hours long, it contains fine choirs, especially Kings College Cambridge judging by the static images accompanying, singing their way through the entire Anglican Psalter.

Beautiful. God be praised.

And here, if the above were not enough, is a wonderful presentation, voice only of 120 top Christian Hymns.

 

Open Letter to Sara Khan, Lead Commissar for Countering Extremism


Dear Sara,

Responding to your article in todays Daily Telegraph.

The polarisation of opinion is destabilising and will lead to more unrest and personal injuries and deaths. but the ones driving this are the Left and not the Right. In fact the hard left are treating people who have what used to be a centrist and mainstream view as if they were right-wing fascists and making ordinary members of society, especially those who are male, white, Christian and taxpaying, feel as though they are being made pariahs and being made to pay for the privilege, to use the word they normally use to oppress us and make it look like we’re the oppressor.

We need to get back to a code of what is and what is not acceptable as mainstream, and the key parameter that nobody seems to be talking about is respecting the issue of freedom of choice.

If a person has the freedom to choose something, then they also have the responsibility for their choice, and maybe can be called upon to justify it. Where someone doesn’t have a choice, they did not exercise a freedom and therefore people should not expect them to justify it, that seems to me to be the most important aspect people never think of. In my own philosophy it stands next to the so-called “golden rule” of doing to others what you would like them to do to you. Because even that golden rule refers to things where people still have free agency.

If someone does to me something I don’t like but did not choose to do it, let us say that they bump into me but only because they were pushed unexpectedly by someone else, then I cannot blame them. They did to me probably something that they wouldn’t want me to do to them, but they didn’t choose it, hence the agency rule overrides the golden rule.

Taking this as a guide, Sara, one could begin to make a code which gradually replaces what we see as Neo-Marxist political correctness into a code based on chivalry, good-manners and that good-old Christian concept of neighbourly love. If you are the Commissioner for countering extremism, then what you need to do first if you will pardon me telling you your job (which is something I admittedly don’t like when someone does to me, but it does happen all the time and this is for the greater good) is to DEFINE what is extreme and what is not extreme by reference to adherence to these high-level principles.

What is fashionable and unfashionable in terms of specific doctrine can change over time, but certain ideas like fairness to all, or that he who pays the piper calls the tune, therefore people paying taxes should not be pushed away from the front line of access to the benefits bought by those taxes, in case of need. You need to consider defining what the traits are of something that could be described as extreme and anything which can justify itself with motherhood concepts ought not to be so defined.

As a final note, anyone who has 100 Muslim organisations braying to have them removed from office must be doing something right. Rather a lot right, even. So I’m hoping to hear of your successes in the future.

Yours faithfully,

David J. James

Sunday Quiz #2 – The Book of Romans 5-8.


This is the second in a new series of quizzes on this Channel. It consists of a ten question, multiple choice quiz and then a photo, which might or might not have anything to do with the quiz but actually serves as a buffer to help you not accidentally see the answers, which are given at the end along with an assessment of your score.

Each of these quizzes will be in the Quiz Section of the right hand navigation, so if you liked this and want to try some of the earlier ones, you’ll be able to find them there, and also they’ll be classified to another place depending on the theme of the quiz. The idea is to teach something useful within a set theme, which might be a text from the Bible or another text Christians and others might wish to be familiar with, and a missing word.  Otherwise they might related to a specific theme from history, nature, etc. It is not purely a trivia quiz but a way to spark your interest in looking up more about the topic.

Today, the Book of Romans, in the King James Version, Chapters 5-8, some of the hardest writing in the New Testament – how well do you know it?

1) Romans 5 v 6 “For when we were yet without x, in due time Christ died for the y.”

A) x = strength, y = ungodly
B) x = stength, y = weak
C) x = hope, y = unbelieving
D) x = hope, y = righteous

2) Romans 5 v 11b “And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the …”

A) salvation
B) redemption
C) atonement
D) justification

3.  Romans 5:16b “but the free gift is of many offences unto ….”

A) salvation
B) redemption
C) atonement
D) justification

4.  Romans 6:3 “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his …?”

A) faith
B) life
C) church
D) death

5. Romans 6:14 “For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law, but …..”

A) under grace
B) free therefrom
C) forgiven
D) above the law

6. Romans 7:7b “For I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not ….”

A) lust
B) kill
C) covet
D) commit adultery

7. Romans 7:22 “For I delight in the law of God after the inward ……”

A) man
B) renewal
C) parts
D) self

8. Romans 8:6 “For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spritually minded is …”

A) life and light
B) life and peace
C) life and joy
D) joy and peace

9. Romans 8:10 “And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of …”

A) forgiveness
B) righteousness
C) justification
D) repentence

10. Romans 8:39 “Nor height, nor depth, nor … , shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord”

A) breadth, nor width
B) principalities nor powers,
C) things present, nor things to come
D) any other creature
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Sunday Quiz #1 – The Book of Romans 1-4.


This is the first in a new series of quizzes on this Channel. There will be a quiz and then a photo, which might or might not have anything to do with the quiz but actually serves as a buffer to help you not accidentally see the answers.

Each of these quizzes will be in the Quiz Section of the right hand navigation, so if you liked this and want to try some of the earlier ones, you’ll be able to find them there, and also they’ll be classified to another place depending on the theme of the quiz. The idea is to teach something useful within a set theme, which might be a text from the Bible or another text Christians and others might wish to be familiar with, and a missing word.  Otherwise they might related to a specific theme from history, nature, etc. It is not purely a trivia quiz but a way to spark your interest in looking up more about the topic.

Today, the Book of Romans, in the King James Version, Chapters 1-4, some of the hardest writing in the New Testament – how well do you know it?

1) Romans 1 v 16 “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the x first and also to the y.”

A) x = Jews, y = gentiles
B) x = Jew, y = Greek
C) x = Christians, y = unbelieving
D) x = righteous, y = poor

2) Romans 1 v 22 “Professing themselves to be wise, they became …”

A) unwise
B) morons
C) unbelieving
D) fools

3.  Romans 1:28b “God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not ….”

A) convenient
B) righteous
C) proven
D) faithful

4.  Romans 1:30 “Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to …”

A) God
B) authorities
C) the law
D) parents

5. Romans 3:4a “God forbid: yea, let god be true but every man …..”

A) a liar
B) hold silence
C) untrue
D) acknowledge

6. Romans 3:11 “There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after ….”

A) righteousness
B) truth
C) God
D) wisdom

7. Romans 4:2 “For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory, but ……”

A) not in great measure
B) not before God
C) was not so minded
D) not so hath any other

8. Romans 4:8 “Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute …”

A) iniquity
B) righteousness
C) sin
D) unrighteousness

9. Romans 4:22 “And therefore it was imputed to him for …”

A) iniquity
B) righteousness
C) sin
D) unrighteousness

10. Romans 4:25 “Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our … ”

A) defence
B) salvation
C) justification
D) glory
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Are some animals more viable for exploitation than others?


Christopher Lewis asked me on Facebook:

I am interesting on understanding your scale for judging an animal’s suffering. How do we know killing one animal is fine, another is wrong. Torturing one animal ok, hunting another to extinction not.

Here’s my answer:

Christopher Lewis It’s an excellent question.

I would formulate my thoughts this way:

  1. Vulnerability to extinction.
    First, we have to protect species against extinction. I believe it is a massive sin to cause any extinction of species, a total blasphemy against the Creator as we cannot create a single species. And also the loss of the genetic material robs future human generations of the opportunity to experience this life form. So I make the same point here for animals, plants, fungi and without regard to size or complexity. We cannot replace them, and don’t destroy what you cannot create is an excellent maxim for life.
  2. Controllability of habitat and numbers
    Second, given the first point, we need to take more care with regard to animals or plants where the slide to extinction is less controllable by us. So at the moment marine life has a bigger call on protection because we have certainly placed plastics into the oceans at measurable amounts and this is completely and guaranteedly anthropogenic and there is no debate about it, unlike the debates that can be made in the case of greenhouse gases and global warming. I am in two minds about GW but I am not in two minds at all about the plastic issue, to the degree where I jumped up and down and got everyone in a small chain of stores I do things with to abandon plastic bags entirely. I have been talking about the plastic issue for fifteen years in fact, and finally people are starting to take the issue seriously and hopefully not too late, but we still don’t know how good the clean up can be and how fast. So I put animals in the line of threat from plastics into a degree of priority.
  3. Strength of links to others of the species
    It does appear that certain animals, even from their behaviour, have empathy to each other and interact with each other and some have interactions with their offspring which are related to love and tenderness in the human. For animals where the loss of one causes distress to others, I give more consideration than for the ones which do not have such a case. There are many species of bird, for example, that could be domesticated but humans have not chosen for the farmyard those which have lifelong pairbonds and which pine away when their loved one is taken. Take a chicken from the rooster and he happily carries on with his existing harem and the other chickens also don’t tend to look around for the missing hen. Do this to penguins, storks, swans and many other birds and mammals and you have a node of suffering. So I give priority not to eat the animals which show tenderness to one another and which demonstrate meaning to one another. In “The Time Machine”, for example, H.G.Wells Morlocks have taken the trouble to breed out of the Eloi race of humans they are farming any kind of empathy for each other. As indeed the powers that be do to us today, replacing Christ’s call to love our neighbour with the empty husk of political “correctness”.
  4. Intelligence regardless of sociability
    Fourthly, the above point doesn’t mean that vertebrates are always preferred over invertebrates. It appears that shrimp which people eat in great numbers are social and that the octopus, which is pretty anti-social really, is a startling intelligence and deserves a bit more respect than your typical invertebrate. All of this is subordinate to the first and second point, anyway.
  5. Deaths per kilogramme of useable protein
    This leads on to the fifth and this is an important point. If we are turning a living, sentient animal into amino acids for our own digestion, it seems to me to be more moral to take one animal that will feed many families over many meals than to take an animal which it takes many of to feed one person one meal. This is one of the reasons why I try to avoid shrimps. It takes maybe 10 shrimps to make a meal for one person, whereas a cow might make a hundred meals so the relationship of shrimps to cattle to give you a tonne of protein is at least a thousand (maybe closer to ten thousand) shrimps to one cow. This is an extreme example. Now if we placed the intelligence and value of the life of the shrimp at only one thousandth of that of the cow, maybe that would be justifiable. But if you look at shrimps in an aquarium for any length of time you’ll see probably just as much different activity and expression going on as you’ll see on a cow’s face as it stands around chewing cud, and maybe even more. So for me it’s disturbing to think that we could be making a virtual holocaust of these crustaceans just to produce the kilos of a single slaughtered cow. Likewise when it comes to fish is it not a bit disturbing to take a thousand capelin to give us the equivalent flesh of one tuna? Worth a thought.
  6. Naturally predated
    And then we have the sixth issue. Prey animals. Animals are by nature divided into hunter and hunted. The hunted tend to be thise which are naturally in the niche of proviing meat to other species and to a degree they evolved into it. It is part of being a sheep that you get eaten by a tiger, it is part of being a tiger that you don’t get eaten by anything. Human agriculture fit into this natural division in that we usually don’t eat tigers (some do) and usually do eat sheep (some don’t).
  7. Substitutability.
    If an animal or plant can be substituted with another in order to give the necessary thing we are looking for (example tortoiseshell now largely replaced by plastics) then it is best to take the version of the product with the least offences against these other points. If there is no substitute then all the more we need to take care that the species is protected from extinction. Usually this involves careful cultivation over a number of different sites.
  8. Farmability
    Given the last point, an animal or plant which can actually be farmed is a better candidate for use than a wild species that cannot be kept and cultivated under human control. Those which can be kept ought to be kept in a proper way, with regard to diet, housing and enrichment. The use of battery farms and similar is becoming thankfully a thing of the past, and this trend should continue. We are making a one way trade with these animals, they feed us and give us food and fibres, plants render to us all their nutrients and chemicals and of course it is not a deal any of them signed up to. The least we can do is give them a reasonable time of quality life with as low suffering as possible prior to sacrificing that life, again with the minimum possible suffering. Not all species lend themselves to farming, on the other hand those species which do also seem to lend themselves to adaptation into numerous breeds with varying characteristics.
  9. Multiple products.
    It is maybe good in view of the above to use synthetic fur rather than real fur, however if synthetic fur becomes unviable for any reason, it is better to farm fur animals which are also edible, such as rabbits, rather than mink which are only there to provide fur and which by the way require the sacrifice of numerous other animals to nourish them, although they can of course be fed on foods made from spent hens and dairy cows not usually sold for human cuisine. If we are going to sacrifice an animal, we should at least waste as little of it as possible. It is good to keep sheep as they provide milk and wool in addition to the produce of their carcase. Cattle produce leather in addition to their milk and blood products taken during their lives but this, like their meat and unlike wool, is a one off event at their death.
  10. Utilisation of inedible food. Humans cannot eat grass which is the easy crop. Cattle, sheep and camels do eat these as they are cellulose metabolised, thanks to their microbiota hosted in special chambers of their alimentary canal. Pigs can eat acorns and scraps which humans cannot eat. Via these animals, oak forests and grasslands have a use to us which might make the difference between keeping them going with their additional biodiversity, which you wouldn’t find in say a wheatfield. Hence farming them has advantages which vegetarians tend to overlook.

    Now let’s apply all the above to the issue of whales. They for sure let themselves down on the size issue – one whale will feed more than one of almost anything else, and given that we cannot eat plankton they let themselves down in the acorn argument too, but on the other arguments we shouldn’t be taking them.

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