Shouldn’t Poland be taking in more African refugees? Poland is a large EU country with a booming economy.

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Original Posting Date: 24/06/2018
Question as answered Shouldn’t Poland be taking in more African refugees? Poland is a large EU country with a booming economy.

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This question was asked at the time of the first Migration crisis where indeed there was quite a sizeable focus on North Africans coming into Europe in 2014. Germany at the time invited them in and then expected other countries to take co-responsibility for this rash action, especially blaming Poland, like they had anything, anything whatsoever, to lecture Poland about other than how to make a nice Vollfettquark, or a decent Leberwurst. Oh, and literature. But less of that.

These days we have a more topical migrant crisis but I haven’t really needed to update the text below to take account of the change in times, but something to bear in mind when reading this is that the main issue now is it is no longer Germany wanting to take them, they have closed the doors to the migrants coming via Belarus and are not encouraging them from anywhere else either, and I have not heard Olaf-faminit Schultz, the new socialist chancellor for a month or so now, change back from Merkel’s hardened position, although it is early days yet and I don’t put anything past German Socialists.

The main issue now is that these migrants are very clearly being weaponised by Russia and Belarus, in a context of military pressure around the Ukrainian border. I do get why Putin feels he should push on the east of Ukraine, why he and Lukashenko are having a good laugh really exposing the hypocrisy of western Europe this way, but I cannot condone the weaponising of people. Moreover, each of these people apparently paid good money to Belarus for transit and the simple pocketing of the money seems very cynical. On top of which Belarus forces have gone too far in assisting breaches of the border and clearly this is not acceptable. I can only commend the Polish side for a very measured reaction. Clearly both sides have at their disposal ordinance which would allow a very rapid and harmful escalation of hostilities. It is therefore a good thing if this mess can be put right by the President of Belarus.  He’s going to have to step up and bear the costs of this one, unless Putin is bailing him out.

Anyway, here is the article exonerating Poland from any moral need to take in non-European refugees. Poland has actually taken a reasonable (by comparison to similarly engaged countries) share of  Afghans whom they knew and worked with during Western occupation of Afghanistan. I am not dealing with that issue here, it is in my opinion a separate and very complex issue, but suffice it to say hardly anyone appearing on the Belarus -Polish border is from Afghanistan, despite early media reports that this was the case.

Last time I looked, Poland wasn’t the ‘First Safe Country’ with regard to any African country. Nor any Middle Eastern one. It is, however, ‘First Safe Country’ for Ukraine, so in accordance with the relevant international treaty that is actually signed up to by our nations, namely the Dublin Accord, (as opposed to making new laws up as you go along, which is what some leaders in the EU, notably Merkel, have been doing) it accepts refugees from that country, and has done so far in excess of its duty, with about a million Ukrainians having benefited from an open door to Poland. And this in spite of Ukrainians having been responsible for some of the worst massacres against Poles in living memory. They are not exactly natural allies.

As far as economic migrants are concerned there is no point in accepting these from Africa in a big lump but for sure there might be some who have skills we need, and indeed you do see Africans around, and I have been to a fine Nigerian doctor here in Warsaw, probably some of the people from Poland reading this post know who I mean and people like this man will always have an open door to Poland.
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Zoo tomorrow (PV#30)

Original YT playout date: 5 June 2010
Duration: 17:23

Zoos are like jam.
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What happened to Polish People?

Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła, póki my żyjemy...

This is part of a new series where I bring over the best of my answers to questions on Quora. I did a few of these in earlier years in chronological order. From 2022 I am reworking them in the order of the number of upvotes received. These being the ones I would most regret losing – which is what they threatened me with over there for not being a Neo-Marxist.

On even numbered dates in the months, I plan to bring home to http://www.huliganov.tv as many of the best of these as I can manage. I will of course be improving them, updating them, adding images. I warmly invite discussion below in each case. Enjoy!

Original Posting Date on Quora : 06/03/2018
Question as answered What happened to Polish People?

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Historical perspective

They had a huge country in the Middle Ages and were a paragon of civilisation, with links to other Nations all over the world. Then they were wiped off the map twice by their enemies. They finally arrived back on the map after World War I but endured invasion again in World War II, by Germans and Russians. Both, motivated by various forms of Socialism (National and International respectively), wished to take back what they had before the First World War. Poland’s military leadership assisted the allies and was instrumental in the Battle of Britain among other battles. The resistance wore down Hitler’s supply lines throughout the war.

After the war, they came under the hegemony of to the Soviet Union for their troubles. They did receive a new set of borders on the map, much smaller but rather with a center of gravity to the west of the one they had had previously. They managed to pioneer the breakout from Russian Socialism and its oppressions largely due to the Catholic majority (I speak as a Protestant, but credit where credit is due). The reborn nation worked very hard to make up the difference between itself and the west. Now despite what statistics say there’s little difference between the lifestyle in Poland and in the UK.

Current status

The average Polish house is larger, garden too, food of higher quality, better public transport systems and other benefits. The tax regime which is not so onerous but which offers not such a high level of benefits. It remains a safety net for the needy but does not constitute a comfy hammock for the indolent as in Western countries. That’s why Poles work, and why their economy grows. Now it is the hub of Central Europe, with a regionally leading Stock Exchange. The zloty has been strong against the EUR in the last couple of years.

Some Polish people, yesterday.

Poles achieved a lot by their hard work, they joined the EU to get a bit more of what the West owed them for the big backstab last century. However, they are not about to have Germany, which made one very big attempt to alter their demographics to suit themselves 70 years or so ago, do the same thing again. Just with a slightly curvier pant suit on and no silly moustache. So therefore this insistence, coupled with threats, by Germany and its multiple panders in the EU like Mr Verhopeless, Mr Schulds, Mr Junky and others to allow Poland to become less Polish and a little bit more Islamic are not going to meet with with any kind of sympathy. Neither are attempts by Germany to blame Poland for what they did likely to make any normal, sane Pole happy.

The peeves of the pervs

Of late, the politicians have all changed and some of the situation has become worse, and some better. Germany seems to have opened its eyes to the reality of accepting migrants with open arms. Now Germany is not so open and Poland has refused to join Belarussia’s quisling act in injecting the carriers of militant Islam into Western Europe. Finally the Polish approach has gained respect. Still the left are all the more determined to make trouble. Turów coal plant, the democratisation of the juridiciary and the refusal to allow unbridled genderism, are among their current peeves.

Uncomfortable politics?

They voted for a party which asserts their right to have an own view, to be different, to be Polish, even if that’s inconvenient for the funded elite and their plans for Europe. This appears to be a very big problem for the remnants of the Socialists who now sit like parasites in the West. They control a lot of opinion as their news outlets go bankrupt one after another unless bailed out by certain interests. Yet the more they rage and rant and threaten in a manner devoid of understanding either of history, or the Polish identity, the more certain it is that Poles will rally and will compound their successes in the arts, sport, businesses and general influence in the world today. So the Poles become even more inconveniently and gloriously Polish.

The bumpy forehead and the little spoilsport

30 December 2021

Original YT playout date: 4 June 2010
Duration: 13:18

This April weekend I had the spot come back which occasionally I get right between the eyebrows. I noticed that if anything is big about a person, that causes them the biggest problems, and I have a big belly and big eyebrows so that’s where I have my problems. Here my longsuffering wife adminsters tea-tree oil in an attempt to reduce the swelling. The next day we go to the new big playground at ul Bytnara and Tanya takes to upsetting everyone’s ball games. People are very nice about it though.
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One Big Vehicle

Original YT playout date: 3 June 2010
Duration: 6:18

They parked up this modern version of a road roller near our office. The video also contains footage of the Lutheran Church attended by Jerzy Buzek, former prime minister, who is now chairman of the European Commission.
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